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strredwolf) wrote2017-09-04 08:27 am
strredwolf) wrote2017-09-04 08:27 am
Alt Right/Far Right/Fascism/etc.
Before I go too deep, some ground rules:
We got all that down? Good.
According to the US Census Bureau's 2015 estimates, the US population in 2015 was 73.6% white, 12.6% black, 0.8% Native or Alaskian Indian, 5.1% Asian, 0.2% Hawaian, 4.7% everything else, and 3% mixed race (two or more, aka hybrid). This has been fairly stable over the past few years. So the idea that the white race is being pushed out/etc? It's going to take centuries for it to happen in the US unless some nut causes the population numbers to go chaotic.
In terms of being superior, in what way? We had blacks sending whites to the moon, and getting them back when the engines failed on Apollo 13! We had black female computer programmers! They earned that position. Match them up. They are equals, and plus they have a different perspective that can be valuable... but you never going to get it if you don't push them to earn it like you do everyone else. (And you're pushing everyone to prove their worth, right?)
The big thing with me is that it makes no sense to deny service to those who want to throw cash at you due to your ideology or religion. You want to deny service to all non-whites? Sure, you can get by for a bit but if you got something everyone and their dog wants, you're going to get non-whites who want to throw cash at you. Deny service to them, word of mouth gets out, and you start losing business from the whites because your reputation, or even perceived reputation, comes out -- and nobody wants to be on the bad side. Isn't it the function of business to make all the money you can for the longest time possible? That means you have to track trends, and tread carefully lest you be on the wrong side.
We've seen it play out all over the place, including in the courts. I remember when the restaurant chain Denny's was repeated sued for denying service to blacks. This caused a lot of Denny's to shut down. More recently, an entire bar in Minneapolis shut down because it's owner donated to ex-KKK founder David Duke's campaign. The multi-ethnic employees decided to shut it down, not the owner, because of both the owner's own perceived position but also the people that came in because of that perception made it a unsafe work environment. (If you can't get folks to work for any reason, you're dead as a business!) There's even a court case to decide if someone can make a religious objection to service a gay couple's request for a wedding cake. The decision to deny service ended up costing the bakery their entire business once word got out!
This gets into personal relations with the public as well. Once you mark yourself publicly as being with a group known to cause trouble, you basically pull yourself out of the general public. Nobody wants trouble. They want to live trouble free. And if you are trouble, nobody wants to be with you except those who are also trouble. Why are you willingly making yourself be alone?
For example, let us take Richard Spencer. Initially, he was invited to speak at various colleges to promote free thinking... but his ideas were so bad that it caused riots and protests, requiring police action to quell. Now, colleges are denying any speaking engagements and pulling back any invitations. His speech has become an incitement to violence.
So if you're part of the Alt-Right, ask yourself, is it worth it to end up being the crazy old man of the mountain sitting on high explosives? Or are you going to research what your ideas truly mean?
Because, if you think your ideas are better than living a comfortable life with a decent wad of cash in your pocket, then you're crazy and I'm dropping you hard.
Changelog:
- I'm going to swear. So shut the fuck up about it.
- There is no TL;DR. Read the entire thing or get the fuck out.
- I prefer that if you counter me with an argument, that you counter with proof that will pass muster in a court of law. Not any back-water just-pulled-together rigged setup, but an established court like the US Federal Court System. So take your time, get your coffee, I can wait.
- The Alt-Right are a loose group of people who pushing pro-white nationalist agenda to the disregard everything including economics and their own health. It is a renaming of white nationalism(moving to supremacy) pushed by known suprematist Richard Spencer to cover up it's well-deserved bad rap. On the political spectrum, Alt-Right borders the Radical Right (at times crossing over)
- White Nationalism is the idea that white people are being pushed out of the majority by other races. It steals heavily from Nazism, and includes white separatist ("white-only country") and white supremacy ("whites are better than any other race").
- The Ku Klux Klan is the original Alt-Right, no matter what Richard Spenser says. It crosses over into the Radical Right by advocating violence.
- The US First Amendment grants US citizens rights of freedom of speech but in terms that the government can not restrict it. The US Supreme Court in has ruled that this covers hate speech but does not cover speech that leads to violence.
- In other words, it's in my right to block your ass.
- It's also within Dreamwidth's right to kick you off the service for violating their TOS and AUP, which technically is a contract.
- And it's also within the US government's right to arrest you for inciting violence should your words cause someone to kill someone else, and they can prove it.
We got all that down? Good.
According to the US Census Bureau's 2015 estimates, the US population in 2015 was 73.6% white, 12.6% black, 0.8% Native or Alaskian Indian, 5.1% Asian, 0.2% Hawaian, 4.7% everything else, and 3% mixed race (two or more, aka hybrid). This has been fairly stable over the past few years. So the idea that the white race is being pushed out/etc? It's going to take centuries for it to happen in the US unless some nut causes the population numbers to go chaotic.
In terms of being superior, in what way? We had blacks sending whites to the moon, and getting them back when the engines failed on Apollo 13! We had black female computer programmers! They earned that position. Match them up. They are equals, and plus they have a different perspective that can be valuable... but you never going to get it if you don't push them to earn it like you do everyone else. (And you're pushing everyone to prove their worth, right?)
The big thing with me is that it makes no sense to deny service to those who want to throw cash at you due to your ideology or religion. You want to deny service to all non-whites? Sure, you can get by for a bit but if you got something everyone and their dog wants, you're going to get non-whites who want to throw cash at you. Deny service to them, word of mouth gets out, and you start losing business from the whites because your reputation, or even perceived reputation, comes out -- and nobody wants to be on the bad side. Isn't it the function of business to make all the money you can for the longest time possible? That means you have to track trends, and tread carefully lest you be on the wrong side.
We've seen it play out all over the place, including in the courts. I remember when the restaurant chain Denny's was repeated sued for denying service to blacks. This caused a lot of Denny's to shut down. More recently, an entire bar in Minneapolis shut down because it's owner donated to ex-KKK founder David Duke's campaign. The multi-ethnic employees decided to shut it down, not the owner, because of both the owner's own perceived position but also the people that came in because of that perception made it a unsafe work environment. (If you can't get folks to work for any reason, you're dead as a business!) There's even a court case to decide if someone can make a religious objection to service a gay couple's request for a wedding cake. The decision to deny service ended up costing the bakery their entire business once word got out!
This gets into personal relations with the public as well. Once you mark yourself publicly as being with a group known to cause trouble, you basically pull yourself out of the general public. Nobody wants trouble. They want to live trouble free. And if you are trouble, nobody wants to be with you except those who are also trouble. Why are you willingly making yourself be alone?
For example, let us take Richard Spencer. Initially, he was invited to speak at various colleges to promote free thinking... but his ideas were so bad that it caused riots and protests, requiring police action to quell. Now, colleges are denying any speaking engagements and pulling back any invitations. His speech has become an incitement to violence.
So if you're part of the Alt-Right, ask yourself, is it worth it to end up being the crazy old man of the mountain sitting on high explosives? Or are you going to research what your ideas truly mean?
Because, if you think your ideas are better than living a comfortable life with a decent wad of cash in your pocket, then you're crazy and I'm dropping you hard.
Changelog:
- 2017-09-04 10:35a: The bar was in Minneapolis, not Miami. Article from the Miami Herald.